The speaker discusses the war of independence in Indonesia, expressing regret for the significant loss of life and advocating for the acknowledgment of the Dutch government's responsibility. They argue that the war should not have happened and that it resulted in numerous victims, including Indonesians, Dutch, and Moluccans. They also express surprise at the views of Mr. Baudet, who seems to support the continued existence of colonies. The speaker concludes by stating that they do not believe the debate is overflowing with dignity.
1. The discussion is about the war of independence in Java, with Mr. Baudet expressing a pro-democracy stance.
2. Mr. Baudet suggests that the war was unlawful and resulted in the murder of people.
3. The speaker disagrees with Baudet's views and believes that the Netherlands should have protected its colony.
4. The speaker questions whether the war should have been waged at all, suggesting that it should not have resulted in such violence and loss of life.
5. The speaker refers to five years of research that established that much of the extreme violence was unlawful and should have been classified as war crimes.
6. The speaker mentions that the war resulted in a large number of victims, including Indonesians, Dutch, and Moluccans.
7. The speaker questions whether the Netherlands in 1945 should have accepted the Javanese declaration that they were now in control.
8. The research also indicates that there was no clear direction on the Indonesian side, with some wanting to overthrow Dutch rule and others wanting diplomacy and conversation.
9. The speaker acknowledges the government's actions in acknowledging the extreme violence, victims, and offering deep apologies.
10. The speaker mentions the agreement of van Linger Jati, which was what the Netherlands wanted, to merge all the islands into a federal framework.
11. The speaker notes that there was a possible middle ground and questions why this wasn't taken into account.
12. The speaker questions Baudet's views on the Second World War, suggesting that the Netherlands should have been part of the allies who won the right thing.
13. The speaker questions Baudet's views on rewardism, suggesting that it would have been better if the Netherlands had remained together with other peoples.
14. The speaker mentions Baudet's views on queenism and colonies, expressing shock and disbelief at these opinions.
15. The speaker questions Baudet's argument that Indonesia should have belonged to the Netherlands, stating that most parties are trying to do justice to all the victims of the war.